\section faq_simgrid I'm new to SimGrid. I have some questions. Where should I start?
You are at the right place... Having a look to these
-<a href="http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~alegrand/articles/slides_g5k_simul.pdf">slides</a>
-(or to these
+<a href="http://www.loria.fr/~quinson/articles/simgrid-tutorial.pdf">the tutorial slides</a>
+(or to these <a href="http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~alegrand/articles/slides_g5k_simul.pdf">old slides</a>,
+or to these
<a href="http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~alegrand/articles/Simgrid-Introduction.pdf">"obsolete" slides</a>)
may give you some insights on what SimGrid can help you to do and what
are its limitations. Then you definitely should read the \ref
-MSG_examples. There is also a mailing list: <simgrid-user@lists.gforge.inria.fr>.
+MSG_examples. The \ref GRAS_tut can also help you.
+
+If you are stuck at any point and if this FAQ cannot help you, please drop us a
+mail to the user mailing list: <simgrid-user@lists.gforge.inria.fr>.
\subsection faq_interfaces What is the difference between MSG, SimDag, and GRAS? Do they serve the same purpose?
instructions and still have some troubles, drop an e-mail to
<simgrid-user@lists.gforge.inria.fr>.
-\subsection faq_compiling Compiling SimGrid from an archive
+\subsection faq_compiling Compiling SimGrid from a stable archive
First of all, you need to download the latest version of SimGrid from
<a href="http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=12">here</a>.
\verbatim export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
\endverbatim
+\subsection faq_compiling_snapshoot SimGrid development snapshots
+
+We have very high standards on software quality, and we are reluctant releasing
+a stable release as long as there is still some known bug in the code base. In
+addition, we added quite an extensive test base, making sure that we correctly
+test the most important parts of the tool.
+
+As an infortunate conclusion, there may be some time between the stable
+releases. If you want to benefit from the most recent features we introduced,
+but don't want to take the risk of an untested version from the SVN, then
+development snapshots are done for you.
+
+These are pre-releases of SimGrid that still fail some tests about features
+that almost nobody use, or on platforms not being in our core target (which is
+linux, mac, other unixes and windows, from the most important to the less
+one). That means that using this development releases should be safe for most
+users.
+
+These archives can be found on
+<a href="http://www.loria.fr/~quinson/simgrid.html">this web page</a>. Once you
+got the lastest archive, you can compile it just like any archive (see above).
\subsection faq_compiling_svn Compiling SimGrid from the SVN
is not the better source of information. Instead, you should check the GRAS
tutorial in general, and the \ref GRAS_tut_tour_setup in particular.
-\subsection faq_crosscompile Cross-compiling a Windows DLL of SimGrid from linux
-
-At the moment, we do not distribute Windows pre-compiled version of SimGrid
-because the support for this platform is still experimental. We know that
-some parts of the GRAS environment do not work, and we think that the others
-environments (MSG and SD) have good chances to work, but we didn't test
-ourselves. This section explains how we generate the SimGrid DLL so that you
-can build it for yourself. First of all, you need to have a version more
-recent than 3.1 (ie, a SVN version as time of writting).
-
-In order to cross-compile the package to windows from linux, you need to
-install mingw32 (minimalist gnu win32). On Debian, you can do so by
-installing the packages mingw32 (compiler), mingw32-binutils (linker and
-so), mingw32-runtime.
-
-You can use the VPATH support of configure to compile at the same time for
-linux and windows without dupplicating the source nor cleaning the tree
-between each. Just run bootstrap (if you use the SVN) to run the autotools.
-Then, create a linux and a win directories. Then, type:
-\verbatim cd linux; ../configure --srcdir=.. <usual configure flags>; make; cd ..
-cd win; ../configure --srcdir=.. --host=i586-mingw32msvc <flags>; make; cd ..
-\endverbatim
-The trick to VPATH builds is to call configure from another directory,
-passing it an extra --srcdir argument to tell it where all the sources are.
-It will understand you want to use VPATH. Then, the trick to cross-compile
-is simply to add a --host argument specifying the target you want to build
-for. The i586-mingw32msvc string is what you have to pass to use the mingw32
-environment as distributed in Debian.
-
-After that, you can run all make targets from both directories, and test
-easily that what you change for one arch does not break the other one.
-
-It is possible that this VPATH build thing breaks from time to time in the
-SVN since it's quite fragile, but it's granted to work in any released
-version. If you experience problems, drop us a mail.
-
-Another possible source of issue is that at the moment, building the
-examples request to use the gras_stub_generator tool, which is a compiled
-program, not a script. In cross-compilation, you need to cross-execute with
-wine for example, which is not really pleasant. We are working on this, but
-in the meanwhile, simply don't build the examples in cross-compilation
-(<tt>cd src</tt> before running make).
-
-Program (cross-)compiled with mingw32 do request an extra DLL at run-time to be
-usable. For example, if you want to test your build with wine, you should do
-the following to put this library where wine looks for DLLs.
-\verbatim
-cp /usr/share/doc/mingw32-runtime/mingwm10.dll.gz ~/.wine/c/windows/system/
-gunzip ~/.wine/c/windows/system/mingwm10.dll.gz
-\endverbatim
-
-The DLL is builded in src/.libs, and installed in the <i>prefix</i>/bin directory
-when you run make install.
-
-If you want to use it in a native project on windows, you need to use
-simgrid.dll and mingwm10.dll. For each DLL, you need to build .def file
-under linux (listing the defined symbols), and convert it into a .lib file
-under windows (specifying this in a way that windows compilers like). To
-generate the def files, run (under linux):
-\verbatim echo "LIBRARY libsimgrid-0.dll" > simgrid.def
-echo EXPORTS >> simgrid.def
-nm libsimgrid-0.dll | grep ' T _' | sed 's/.* T _//' >> simgrid.def
-nm libsimgrid-0.dll | grep ' D _' | sed 's/.* D _//' | sed 's/$/ DATA/' >> simgrid.def
-
-echo "LIBRARY mingwm10.dll" > mingwm10.def
-echo EXPORTS >> mingwm10.def
-nm mingwm10.dll | grep ' T _' | sed 's/.* T _//' >> mingwm10.def
-nm mingwm10.dll | grep ' D _' | sed 's/.* D _//' | sed 's/$/ DATA/' >> mingwm10.def
-\endverbatim
-
-To create the import .lib files, use the <tt>lib</tt> windows tool (from
-MSVC) the following way to produce simgrid.lib and mingwm10.lib
-\verbatim lib /def:simgrid.def
-lib /def:mingwm10.def
-\endverbatim
-
-If you happen to use Borland C Builder, the right command line is the
-following (note that you don't need any file.def to get this working).
-\verbatim implib simgrid.lib libsimgrid-0.dll
-implib mingwm10.lib mingwm10.dll
-\endverbatim
-
-Then, set the following parameters in Visual C++ 2005:
-Linker -> Input -> Additional dependencies = simgrid.lib mingwm10.lib
-
-Just in case you wonder how to generate a DLL from libtool in another
-project, we added -no-undefined to any lib*_la_LDFLAGS variables so that
-libtool accepts to generate a dynamic library under windows. Then, to make
-it true, we pass any dependencies (such as -lws2 under windows or -lpthread
-on need) on the linking line. Passing such deps is a good idea anyway so
-that they get noted in the library itself, avoiding the users to know about
-our dependencies and put them manually on their compilation line. Then we
-added the AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL macro just before AC_PROG_LIBTOOL in the
-configure.ac. It means that we exported any symbols which need to be.
-Nowadays, functions get automatically exported, so we don't need to load our
-header files with tons of __declspec(dllexport) cruft. We only need to do so
-for data, but there is no public data in SimGrid so we are good.
\section faq_howto Feature related questions
*/
+******************************************************************
+* OLD CRUFT NOT USED ANYMORE *
+******************************************************************
+
+
+\subsection faq_crosscompile Cross-compiling a Windows DLL of SimGrid from linux
+
+At the moment, we do not distribute Windows pre-compiled version of SimGrid
+because the support for this platform is still experimental. We know that
+some parts of the GRAS environment do not work, and we think that the others
+environments (MSG and SD) have good chances to work, but we didn't test
+ourselves. This section explains how we generate the SimGrid DLL so that you
+can build it for yourself. First of all, you need to have a version more
+recent than 3.1 (ie, a SVN version as time of writting).
+
+In order to cross-compile the package to windows from linux, you need to
+install mingw32 (minimalist gnu win32). On Debian, you can do so by
+installing the packages mingw32 (compiler), mingw32-binutils (linker and
+so), mingw32-runtime.
+
+You can use the VPATH support of configure to compile at the same time for
+linux and windows without dupplicating the source nor cleaning the tree
+between each. Just run bootstrap (if you use the SVN) to run the autotools.
+Then, create a linux and a win directories. Then, type:
+\verbatim cd linux; ../configure --srcdir=.. <usual configure flags>; make; cd ..
+cd win; ../configure --srcdir=.. --host=i586-mingw32msvc <flags>; make; cd ..
+\endverbatim
+The trick to VPATH builds is to call configure from another directory,
+passing it an extra --srcdir argument to tell it where all the sources are.
+It will understand you want to use VPATH. Then, the trick to cross-compile
+is simply to add a --host argument specifying the target you want to build
+for. The i586-mingw32msvc string is what you have to pass to use the mingw32
+environment as distributed in Debian.
+
+After that, you can run all make targets from both directories, and test
+easily that what you change for one arch does not break the other one.
+
+It is possible that this VPATH build thing breaks from time to time in the
+SVN since it's quite fragile, but it's granted to work in any released
+version. If you experience problems, drop us a mail.
+
+Another possible source of issue is that at the moment, building the
+examples request to use the gras_stub_generator tool, which is a compiled
+program, not a script. In cross-compilation, you need to cross-execute with
+wine for example, which is not really pleasant. We are working on this, but
+in the meanwhile, simply don't build the examples in cross-compilation
+(<tt>cd src</tt> before running make).
+
+Program (cross-)compiled with mingw32 do request an extra DLL at run-time to be
+usable. For example, if you want to test your build with wine, you should do
+the following to put this library where wine looks for DLLs.
+\verbatim
+cp /usr/share/doc/mingw32-runtime/mingwm10.dll.gz ~/.wine/c/windows/system/
+gunzip ~/.wine/c/windows/system/mingwm10.dll.gz
+\endverbatim
+
+The DLL is builded in src/.libs, and installed in the <i>prefix</i>/bin directory
+when you run make install.
+
+If you want to use it in a native project on windows, you need to use
+simgrid.dll and mingwm10.dll. For each DLL, you need to build .def file
+under linux (listing the defined symbols), and convert it into a .lib file
+under windows (specifying this in a way that windows compilers like). To
+generate the def files, run (under linux):
+\verbatim echo "LIBRARY libsimgrid-0.dll" > simgrid.def
+echo EXPORTS >> simgrid.def
+nm libsimgrid-0.dll | grep ' T _' | sed 's/.* T _//' >> simgrid.def
+nm libsimgrid-0.dll | grep ' D _' | sed 's/.* D _//' | sed 's/$/ DATA/' >> simgrid.def
+
+echo "LIBRARY mingwm10.dll" > mingwm10.def
+echo EXPORTS >> mingwm10.def
+nm mingwm10.dll | grep ' T _' | sed 's/.* T _//' >> mingwm10.def
+nm mingwm10.dll | grep ' D _' | sed 's/.* D _//' | sed 's/$/ DATA/' >> mingwm10.def
+\endverbatim
+
+To create the import .lib files, use the <tt>lib</tt> windows tool (from
+MSVC) the following way to produce simgrid.lib and mingwm10.lib
+\verbatim lib /def:simgrid.def
+lib /def:mingwm10.def
+\endverbatim
+
+If you happen to use Borland C Builder, the right command line is the
+following (note that you don't need any file.def to get this working).
+\verbatim implib simgrid.lib libsimgrid-0.dll
+implib mingwm10.lib mingwm10.dll
+\endverbatim
+
+Then, set the following parameters in Visual C++ 2005:
+Linker -> Input -> Additional dependencies = simgrid.lib mingwm10.lib
+
+Just in case you wonder how to generate a DLL from libtool in another
+project, we added -no-undefined to any lib*_la_LDFLAGS variables so that
+libtool accepts to generate a dynamic library under windows. Then, to make
+it true, we pass any dependencies (such as -lws2 under windows or -lpthread
+on need) on the linking line. Passing such deps is a good idea anyway so
+that they get noted in the library itself, avoiding the users to know about
+our dependencies and put them manually on their compilation line. Then we
+added the AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL macro just before AC_PROG_LIBTOOL in the
+configure.ac. It means that we exported any symbols which need to be.
+Nowadays, functions get automatically exported, so we don't need to load our
+header files with tons of __declspec(dllexport) cruft. We only need to do so
+for data, but there is no public data in SimGrid so we are good.
+
